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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. RL0919 (talk) 11:31, 25 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Breaker High[edit]

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Deprodded with addition of sources, but they are both fluff pieces. One is a Huffington Post listicle about shows that Drake enjoyed watching, and the other is a "where are they now?" that mostly focuses on Ryan Gosling. Newspapers.com and ProQuest gave only TV Guide directory listings and press releases. Everything else was just a superficial mention in an article on Ryan Gosling. Ten Pound Hammer • (What did I screw up now?) 04:30, 18 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  • Keep per the significant coverage in multiple independent reliable sources.
    1. Leszczak, Bob (2018). Single Season Sitcoms of the 1990s: A Complete Guide. Jefferson, North Carolina: McFarland & Company. p. 30. ISBN 978-1-4766-7077-5. Retrieved 2022-05-18 – via Google Books.

      The book notes: "Breaker High Breaker Productions, Inc./Saban Entertainment/Shavick Entertainment. UPN. (September 15, 1997–March 30, 1998). Fourty-four episodes were filmed without a laugh track in Canada, where the show aired on YTV. Breaker High is High School on the High Seas. On a cruise ship that travels the globe, the students learn history and geography up close and personal. Of course, many of the students also get up close and personal, thus producing romantic (think Love Boat), comedic and dramatic moments. ... There were numerous exotic settings on this dramedy that aired each weekday for nine weeks, but all of the 44 episodes were filmed in Burnaby, British Colombia, Canada. After one season, UPN docked the cruise ship for good. The executive producers were Haim Saban, Shuki Levy, Russa Manche and Ian Christian Nickus."

    2. Ryan, Andrew (2007-04-21). "The Breaker High graduates: Where are they now?". The Globe and Mail. Archived from the original on 2022-05-18. Retrieved 2022-05-18.

      The article notes: "Gosling had little choice at the time, since Breaker High existed for a solitary season back in 1997. Created for broadcast on the struggling UPN network, Breaker High focused on a group of precocious teens attending high school on a luxury cruise ship. (Think The Love Boat meets Saved by the Bell.) Filmed in Burnaby, B.C., the show produced 44 half-hour episodes, which YTV aired incessantly in the years to follow. As one of Breaker High's principal characters, Gosling played the slicked-back character Sean -- a supposed ladies' man whose constant efforts to appear smooth usually made him look foolish. ... As the rebellious and slightly dense Max, Vickaryous was presumably the character who brought in the young female viewers. Born in Port Alberni, B.C., he was a standout high-school athlete (football and wrestling) whose first TV gig came on Breaker High."

    3. Kappler, Maija (2019-05-08). "Drake Loves 'Breaker High.' Here Are More Canadian TV Shows We Miss". HuffPost. Archived from the original on 2022-05-18. Retrieved 2022-05-18.

      The article notes: "For anyone unfortunate enough to not be familiar with the best boat-centred show ever to be filmed in Burnaby, B.C., "Breaker High" only ran from 1997 to 1998, but its impact was long-lasting. It's about a group of teenagers attending high school on a boat, and it features a teenage Ryan Gosling as a dorky type who tries hard to be cool. What more do you need from TV, really? It could occasionally focus on topics like like drinking and teen pregnancy, but unlike Degrassi, it hinged more on a sitcom feel than on Issues Facing Teens. It also included lots of bucket hats, chokers, and the iconic "C8" rating when it aired on YTV, indicating that it's appropriate for kids aged eight and up. Sample episode description: "Jimmy becomes the third wheel with newly dating couple Sean and Tamira and can't seem to leave them alone. He then accidentally broadcasts their makeout session on Shipwreck Radio." Don't you hate it when that happens?"

    4. Less significant coverage:
      1. McNamara, Lynn (1997-11-30). "Cast of TV's Breaker High laid low. Despite popularity, Vancouver-shot teen series one of several to be axed". The Province. Archived from the original on 2022-05-18. Retrieved 2022-05-18 – via Newspapers.com.

        The article notes: "Although I'm told the TV show Breaker High was extremely popular with the teen set, the Vancouver-shot series for United Paramount Network has been cancelled. ... the cast and crew of Breaker High, produced here by James Shavick, will be looking for work. The teen stars of Breaker High, which has been airing on Baton Broadcasting, are Ryan Gosling, Rachel Wilson, Wendy Kenya, Tyler Labine, Persia White and Scott Vickaryous. Production will continue until mid-December; the produced episodes will go into syndication."

      2. Helm, Richard (2000-03-27). "Vickaryous's career takes off". Calgary Herald. Archived from the original on 2022-05-18. Retrieved 2022-05-18 – via Newspapers.com.

        The article notes: "When his run with Breaker High ended a couple years back Vickaryous felt the timing was right to hit the road again. The one-time Alberta football and wrestling star had left home in 1996 for acting lessons in Vancouver, and soon afterwards, a heartthrob role on Breaker High. Filmed in Vancouver, the teen show quickly developed a devoted core following, partially for its melding of Beverly Hills 90210 and the Love Boat, and partially for its casting of Vickaryous as the hunky captain's son."

      3. Portman, Jamie (1998-09-05). "Edmontonian's acting career takes flight". The StarPhoenix. Southam Newspapers. Archived from the original on 2022-05-18. Retrieved 2022-05-18 – via Newspapers.com.

        The article notes: "But what turned him into a teenate heartthrob was Breaker High, the Vancouver-filmed TV series about a high school that operates on board a cruise ship. Vickaryous's dark good looks landed him the role of Max Ballard, the rebellious son of the ship's captain. The series stopped filming more than a year ago, but it keeps popping up on reruns, especially in Canada, where it continues to enjoy a huge following both on individual local stations and also on the YTV cable network."

      4. Mangan, Jennifer (1997-12-07). "Looks Can Deceive". New York Daily News. Archived from the original on 2022-05-18. Retrieved 2022-05-18 – via Newspapers.com.

        The article notes: "The characters of UPN's "Breaker High" (weekdays at 4 p.m. on Ch. 9) also look like they were plucked from the pages of Seventeen magazine, but the program's high point is its interactive approach to learning. (Breaker High is a boarding school aboard a cruise ship that takes its 500 students to places like Africa, China and New Zealand for some hands-on learning.)"

      5. Williams, Ollie (2015-03-06). "Breaker High is real: on board the school that sails the world". CNN. Archived from the original on 2022-05-18. Retrieved 2022-05-18.

        The article notes: "Who wouldn't want to go to school on a cruise liner with Ryan Gosling? That was the dream in the late 1990s when Breaker High, the tale of an ocean-going group of high school students, became cult kids' viewing. Breaker High handed Gosling, then 16, his break in TV -- pllaying a teenage nerd trying to get the girl. Cori Shepherd Stern created the show. A junior production company worker when her bosses asked for a companion to Sweet Valley High, Stern pitched the idea and suddenly had an order for 65 episodes, though in the end 44 were made."

      6. "Drake brings 90s nostalgia with Breaker High throwback at Raptors game". Canadian Broadcasting Corporation. The Canadian Press. 2019-05-08. Archived from the original on 2022-05-18. Retrieved 2022-05-18.

        The article notes: "Drake loves breaking records and also Breaker High, it seems. The Toronto rapper, who recently surpassed Taylor Swift's record for the most wins at the Billboard Music Awards, wore a sweatshirt with the logo for Breaker High at Tuesday's Toronto Raptors game. The late 1990s series was filmed in Burnaby, B.C., and followed students who attend high school on a cruise ship."

    There is sufficient coverage in reliable sources to allow Breaker High to pass Wikipedia:Notability#General notability guideline, which requires "significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject".

    Cunard (talk) 10:45, 18 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

    The Globe and Mail and Huffington Post pieces, which I mentioned in the nom, are just random listicles with no journalistic merit. I don't think Huffington Post is even an acceptable source for Wikipedia, but either way, it's just a clickbait piece about Drake and other randomly selected shows the editors wrote about to make a listicle. Everything else is just a one-sentence blurb. Ten Pound Hammer • (What did I screw up now?) 15:44, 18 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep -- You in both your nomination and your reply have ignored the book source, but I also think that the Globe and Mail piece, even if a "where are they now" piece, clearly shows a sustained focus on the show, given that it was twenty years after it aired, and was associated with one of the biggest newspapers in Canada. matt91486 (talk) 06:31, 19 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    The "Where are they now" piece is still just a randomly selected listicle. It has all the journalistic cred of Buzzfeed. Ten Pound Hammer • (What did I screw up now?) 15:36, 19 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep. This certainly does need improvement, but notability is based on the existence of suitable sources, not on whether they're all already in the article or not. For a show that aired 25 years ago, the best sourcing won't google, and instead will have to be recovered from archives — and indeed, on a ProQuest search I found that substantial WP:GNG-worthy coverage most certainly does exist. Bearcat (talk) 15:15, 19 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    So a listicle about Drake is a reliable source now? I couldn't find jack shit else. Did you find something I didn't? Ten Pound Hammer • (What did I screw up now?) 15:33, 19 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    Did you miss the part where I said on a ProQuest search? Did you miss the part where I said For a show that aired 25 years ago, the best sourcing won't google, and instead will have to be recovered from archives? Bearcat (talk) 15:46, 19 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    I did do a Proquest search and so did Cunard. And all either of us found were tiny little droplets of trivial mentions. Look at every source Cunard dug up. None of them combined is a full sentence about the show. HOW IS THAT SIGNIFICANT COVERAGE?!?!?!?! Ten Pound Hammer • (What did I screw up now?) 15:49, 19 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    So you want me to just ASSUME that there might possibly maybe be sources we don't know about yet, when Cunard has already proven that nobody in the show's entire existence dedicated more than half a sentence to it, and the only thing of note afterward is a "where are they now?" fluff piece that is about the actors and not the show at all? Ten Pound Hammer • (What did I screw up now?) 15:46, 19 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    What part of I actively searched ProQuest are you failing to comprehend? Bearcat (talk) 15:49, 19 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    You searched ProQuest but didn't show what you found though. Am I supposed to just take your word for it? Ten Pound Hammer • (What did I screw up now?) 15:50, 19 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep based on sources listed above, at the very least it pass WP:GNG. DonaldD23 talk to me 14:30, 21 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    Which sources? The ones that are listicles that only mention the show in passing, or the ones that mention the show in even more passing? I have yet to see one reliable source in all the "Keep per Cunard" votes here. Ten Pound Hammer • (What did I screw up now?) 18:12, 22 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep Clearly notable from the sources. Come on, even I recognize this show. There's no way that shows that most in the country have heard aatebout, airing on major networks, should be nominated. We need some common sense here, and not more time-wasting nominations. Nfitz (talk) 05:17, 24 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
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